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Disclaimer: I'm in no way authoritative and only speak from my experience.

Sometimes, crossover and unusual pairing are by necessity. My first fandom is Star Trek: the Original series and it pretty have a total of only 2 female characters who're never in the same scene as far as I know. I love Uhura. She's strong, smart and sensible. But I can't find anyone to pair her off. Then I watch Stargate: Atlantis and I fall in love with Teyla. Naturally I pair Teyla and Uhura together. I can easily see them fighting together against the enemy or sit down and talk about culture, language or just turtle soup. It becomes my favourite Uhura pairing.

Sometimes, crossover and unusual pairing are just for fun. Currently I am in Marvel fandom. While I am the last person to suggest that Marvel comics canon is female-friendly (Woman in the fridge, everyone?), its huge cast of characters ensure that there are at least some interesting female characters. There are also chance for two female characters in a title interacting for reasons other than the male characters. Therefore it's easier to pair up female characters. And I have a lot. Colleen Wing/Misty Knight (She 's an ex-New York cop with a cyborg arm. She 's a samurai with a cool katana. Together they fight crime), Carol Danver/Wanda Miximoff (the amazing [personal profile] garrideb wrote a ship manifesto about them and pretty said thing better than I would ever do), but I still have quite a crack pairing: Miss America/Golden Girl. They only appear together in an issue but they are comfortable with and clearly like each other. So why not ship them?

Sometimes, crossover and unusual pairing are a protest. Female characters are often underrepresented in the canon. Often we know much about a superhero's father, but never the mother. The only thing we know about the mother is usually her death. For example, Howard Stark play an important role in the Iron Man movie, but we never know about Iron Man's mother. The canon is also bad to the established awesome female characters. Peggy Carter is a spy/reporter in WWII. She's depicted as brave and independent. Then in the recon that we always pretend not to exist the canon has to ruin it. So why not reimagine Maria Stark as a not-so-sociable scientist working alongside super spy Peggy Carter and let them have femslashy spy adventure together? They deserve better treatment than what the canon gives them.

In short, I like crossover and unusual pairing sometimes for necessity, for fun, and protest. I would like to hear your opinions!



Date: 2011-04-28 06:04 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: teyla emmagan is awesone (sga teyla goddess)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
Naturally I pair Teyla and Uhura together.

That is an AWESOME pairing.

Date: 2011-04-29 02:10 am (UTC)
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
Please tell me you've written fic for it.

Date: 2011-04-29 02:07 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
If you do, I'll be your first reader. :)

Date: 2011-04-29 01:23 am (UTC)
lyssie: (Paulla loves guns)
From: [personal profile] lyssie
So why not reimagine Maria Stark as a not-so-sociable scientist working alongside super spy Peggy Carter and let them have femslashy spy adventure together?

omg, someone please tell me this is out there. BECAUSE YES.

And you're right. A lot of the reason for crossover pairings is the lack of someone to pair them with (there are exceptions, of course. Sam Carter and Kara Thrace do not lack for female partners, and yet, still hotter together than apart)--

Sadly, a lot of that is that canons aren't interested in making sure there's equal representation of women. Or they weren't. It's getting better, in some ways, and not in others.

Also, crossovers are an excuse for pairing that One Character you adore with that other character you adore--you might only like one of the women on the show, or two (or, in the case of Sanctuary's first season, incest is not your thing).

Date: 2011-04-29 03:17 am (UTC)
cleo: (BoP: Kate)
From: [personal profile] cleo
Thanks for posting this!

My first unusual pairing was Alex/Liz Donnelly in L&O: SVU, and I think i started it because a) I had a thing for Judith Light and b) I just...outgrew the main pairing. It was maybe a little protest against the Alex/Olivia ship; but it was more that it was just that I needed something more interesting, more plausible for me and the subtext was there.

I like to write femslash crossovers because I like a challenge. I like making the canons work when I think two characters would make a great pairing. Then there are times when it's just like...omg pretty but I fall in love with the pairing anyway (like Rizzoli and Isles's Maura and Body of Proof's Kate in the series I'm writing now). Again, sometimes seeking a crossover is about moving away from a main pairing or fandom OTP or...the only option for a femslash pairing in a show. I like unusual pairings and crossovers because I think they make you really sit down and think about the characters, the pairing, the subtext and maintext in ways you might not or might have gotten out of the habit of doing for the main or usual canon pairings for a show.

(This also reminds me that I really want to finish that crossover where Addison from Grey's Anatomy and Elizabeth Weir have a thing...)
Edited Date: 2011-04-29 03:18 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-04-29 02:08 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: elizabeth weir is a little annoyed (sga lizzie sateda)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
(This also reminds me that I really want to finish that crossover where Addison from Grey's Anatomy and Elizabeth Weir have a thing...)

Yes, yes, you really do. :) Or, at least, I really want you to! *shameless*

Date: 2011-04-29 02:10 pm (UTC)
cleo: (Sanctuary: Helen)
From: [personal profile] cleo
I'm scared to go back and look at it. I started writing it during the second season of Grey's. (And it also involve Janeway/Sam Carter, Sam Beckett in Finn Tutuola's body, the X-Files and Ninja Turtles. Idek...)

Date: 2011-04-29 02:48 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
It sounds totally cracked out in really fun ways, though. But a little scary, yeah.

Date: 2011-04-29 05:48 am (UTC)
lilacsigil: 12 Apostles rocks, text "Rock On" (12 Apostles)
From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
for necessity, for fun, and protest

This is a great way of putting it! I write stories where the men are usually still around, but they end up in the background and the female heroes just take the lead. I think it's a combination of something I want to see in canon, something I enjoy writing, and, as you say, protest!

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