Comment Meta

[amaresu]

Femslash Mini Meta fest was an utter fail this year. And I'm still not in a place where I could do it, so I purpose Comment Meta. And let's have it cover all things female and fannish. However you define those.

How it works

1. Post a meta topic in a top level comment. Use the subject line for the meta subject and expand as you want in the body of the comment. Or don't.

2. Repeat Step 1 for as many meta ideas as you have.

3. Comment on other meta topics.


It's kinda like a kink meme, only with meta. Feel free to browse the mini meta tag for ideas.

This is meant to be about as low pressure as it comes. Feel free to write on your own journal/Tumblr/blog and link back here. Respond with as little or as much as you want. This post will remain open indefinitely, so please track it if that makes things easier for you.

Comments

Favorite Tropes as Applied to Femslash

[havocthecat]

Everyone has their favorite fandom tropes. What are your favorites when applied to femslash? Do you have a pairing or a type you prefer them with?

I tend to be fond of AMTDI and its various iterations, like Magic Made Them Do it. I'm aware of the extreme dubiousness of the consent involved, but it hits my fandom kinks hard and so I go there anyway.

There's also soulbonding. The world needs more femslash soulbonding fic, don't you think?

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[tellitslant]

AMTDI is alive and well in Warehouse 13, where the A stands for artifacts. I'm the same way - the potential for dubcon needs to be acknowledged by the author, but as long as that happens then it's one of my go-tos. I think I like it for the same reasons I like the 'huddling for warmth'/'undercover marriage' types - those are less forceful, but they follow the same routes of getting Our Chosen Pairing to a place where they can't hide or ignore those feeeeelings any longer!

...I wish there was more undercover marriage fic in femslash. Sigh. I am going to have to be the change I want to see in the world (my life, so hard).

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[havocthecat]

Be the change! I'm desperate for undercover marriage femslash. (Good God, Myka/Helena Warehouse 13 undercover married fic. It would be PERFECT.)

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[tamsin]

Crack! I love the cute and funny aspects of it, but I also think it takes a lot of skill to write Lorelai Gilmore as a gingerbread cookie and have her still be recognizable Lorelai (yes, this really exists).

Re: Favorite Tropes as Applied to Femslash

[havocthecat]

Wow, I have to ask if you can link me to that.

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[cleo]

I. Love. That. Fic.

And I so agree with you here. Crack! It's so under-appreciated!

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[netgirl_y2k]

AUs. Especially mundane AUs in fantasy fandoms. Seriously, coffee shop, university, office workers, give me them all. It's a trope that seems alive and well in boyslash and het fandoms, and rarely ever seen in femslash. I'm sure it's partially a numbers game, but it does put me off writing them, because I'm not sure being that person who wrote the elaborate Sansa Stark/Daenerys Targaryen coffee shop AU is the sort of notoriety I really want.

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[havocthecat]

I would read the HELL out of that au, as a matter of fact.

I find AUs have less of an audience, which makes me sad, because my AUs are some of the fics I'm most proud of. And by "less of an audience" I mean "two comments is great." A normal femslash success fic is about a dozen comments at most.

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[kmo]

i don't really like AUs (and maybe this is a function of most AUs focusing on het and slash pairings i'm not that into) but i would read the shit out of that coffeeshop au. :)

Re: Favorite Tropes as Applied to Femslash

[croissantkatie]

Yes! I love AUs so much, particularly mundane ones. I am inordinately fond of coffee shop AUs.

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[cantarina]

Yesssss. I wrote Annie+Britta+Shirley (Community) in a coffee shop because why aren't there more women-centric AUs?

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[cleo]

I love AUs too...and AU crossovers!

But you're right, they do seem to have less of an audience. :(

We should do an AU mini meme at femslash_kink at some point! Or maybe I'll do one at my journal...

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[sqbr]

Hateshipping and enemyshipping! Hurrah for Homestuck and Dragon age 2, where f/f hateships are canon (even if Dragon age fandom hasn't embraced them to the same degree)

Crossdressing! That whole "girl dressed as boy navigating and subverting the 'male'/'prince' role in a romance with a more femme-y girl" thing, a la Revolutionary Girl Utena.

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[cleo]

Both of these. YESSSSSSS!

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[kmo]

i'm all about the foe-yay and the rivalships, especially if the two women are rivals about something other than a man. ;)

i also love role reversals, especially when the more traditionally feminine character is the one who initiates sex. is that a thing? i don't know the trope name for it.

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[erinptah]

Power femmes? Toppy femmes?

It's definitely how Haruka and Michiru operate, at least XD

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[amaresu]

I'm terribly intrigued about how femslash works in A/B/O verses. I haven't been apart of the big slash fandoms in years so the prevalence of this trope kinda leaves me baffled and confused, but at the same time wanting to see how it works with different types of pairing. I'm not widely read on the trope, but there doesn't seem to be much mention of women at all, let alone as part of the central pairing. It'd be interesting to see how a femslash pairing could be applied.



I also deeply love Extreme Competence. Which is possibly why I love St. Trinian's and Warehouse 13 so much as they're filled with people who are Extremely Competent. They get things done (in their chosen fields). I feel like it's a trope that's hard to do with female characters in general though as the cries of Mary Sue are always coming closer.

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[twtd]

I would read all of the A/B/O femslash. I tried to prompt for it at the femslash kinkmeme last year but no one took the bait. There's a small amount of it on AO3, but nowhere near as much as there should be.

Also, soul bonding and amtdi and forced marriages and basically I would read all of the femslashy trope fic. All of it.

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[croissantkatie]

Ooh, women in A/B/O verses is something I've been thinking about lately! Because whilst I've read some of that sort of fic, I've very rarely seen any women in them. And definitely not in central roles. That would be fascinating to see. I'm not sure how it would work but this is definitely something I'm going to think on! :D

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[tamoline]

I've managed to come across a few good examples of A/B/O femslash:

Animals and Prizes (Tori/Jade, Victorious fandom) - In addition to being well writtem, this fic also uses the Alpha/Omega dynamic to look at some of the more sexist tropes, and how the characters work their self definitions around the facts of their biology.

A Fine Job of Bending All the Rules (Genevieve/Adrianne, Supernatural RPF University AU) - A genuinely fun little series


Portions of Happiness (Molly/various, Sherlock) - Embraces the paradigm of sexuality being governed by your A/B/O-ness, rather than whether you are male or female, and explores what queerness might look like in that world. (With queer ladies, natch)

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[cantarina]

longsufferingly/Chash wrote a whole whack of delightfully subversive A/B/O. Some het, some m/m, some f/f, but all fantastic.

Re: Favorite Tropes as Applied to Femslash

[havocthecat]

The only one I've ever read involved a lot of what seemed like m/f penetration, which just. If the parts aren't going to be that different, I'm not that interested? But it was only one fic, so I don't consider it a representative sample.

I'm tired of the cries of Mary Sue, you know? But it's true, it's harder to get people to read ladycentric fic that involves Extreme Competence, so you're probably right about the whole Mary Sue issue.

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[hebethen]

Fucked-up loyalty stories: queen and councillor, lady and knight, deity and devotee, unto death, etc. And skew. Skew is great. "Not of this world", going through hell and clawing their way into something that's only a happy ending from their point of view.

<3

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[zvi]

I don't know if it's a trope that we see in fandom so much, but it's definitely common in the source material, and it's the Breakfast Club/Beauty & the Beast, where people who wouldn't choose to be together are thrown in with one another by circumstances beyond their control, and they then have a shared understanding of the world that can't be really explained to outsiders.

Also, I have just figured out why I am so gaga for Teen Wolf, JFC.

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[zvi]

there is one trope that I really like in melslash, which is MPREG, that I have yet to figure out how to do in f/f, because, "pregnancy i wasn't expecting and didn't think I had the body parts for," immediately leaps to the "I was roofied place," and dubious sexual consent is entirely NOT what I like about mpreg (I do sometimes like people to think about abortion, and also why are aliens/gods/macguffins so damn interested in getting other people pregnant), but the main buttons it pushes for me are body transformation + family building.

Has anyone seen somebody structure f/f impossible pregnancy fic (fpreg) which either precludes the roofied thing or addresses and disposes of it because some non-roofy thing happened instead and they found it out very fast?