glinda: yellow crocus on a bed of snow (3 weeks 4 dreamwidth)
[personal profile] glinda
Squeezing this one in just before the end of the fest here. Now I really want to go and record some more podfic...

thoughts )
crys_loch: Alex Cabot in chair having a 'moment'. (alex15)
[personal profile] crys_loch
I wanted to try one of these.  So, here it goes.


 

Why not just read and talk here? )

Also, on a related note though not specifically femslash, I have a short rant of sorts about Kink as a catch all phrase at my journal-
here
I welcome thoughts.
merryghoul: suzie costello (torchwood), text: totally sane person (mini suzie)
[personal profile] merryghoul
In response to a prompt from last year: Crossover femslash--why do you write/read it or not write/read it? What about the characters, shows, etc. makes you pair up women from different canons? How is it different, or not, from non-crossover fic? -- I wrote a mini-meta on how I approached one of my crossover couples at my journal.
amaresu: tegan and nyssa smiling at each other (doctorwho-tegan/nyssa)
[personal profile] amaresu
This is a prompt post! Please only leave prompts here. If you see something you want to respond to make a new post to the community.

For those who don't know: Mini meta is like regular meta, only mini. The aim isn't to end up with thousands of words of meta, but somewhere around 300 words. (Although if you get inspired and write thousands of words no one will complain and similarly if you only have 100 words in you for the topic that is fine as well.) This, hopefully, creates much less pressure and allows more people to post what is on their minds without worrying about it being the most perfect thing ever.

Rules will be the same as last year.

  1. Submit topics you want to see meta about. These can be anything so long as it relates to femslash. They will be listed at the bottom of this post for everyone to see.

    Sample prompts from last year:

    • OT3s: Are there any awesome OT3s out there? Are any of them all from the same canon? Can you still call is femslash if one of the three is a man?
    • Femmeslash and asexuality - tell me about how you see this. What would femmeslash with one or more asexual partner look like? How would you write it?
    • No pithy prompt, but I'd love to see a discussion of sexuality-how we conceptualize it for characters, write it in, leave it out...fluid or fixed. Is it too often assumed in femslash that the characters are lesbians, closet lesbians and not bi, poly, etc.?


  2. Write meta about the topics. Don't worry if someone else has already written about a topic you wanted to write about, multiple posts about the same topic are encouraged. You can even write mini meta in response to someone else's meta.

    You can post directly to [community profile] fem_thoughts or you can post to your journal and link us.

  3. Discuss the meta!

  4. Show off your meta and get other people to come discuss it! Or possibly do this step first and tell people about the fest. Whichever works really.



Submit your prompts to this post and I'll add them to the list. Feel free to re-use from previous years. There's no limit on the number of prompts you can submit.

I lost track of time and I'm posting this a bit late so go ahead and start posting whenever you find something you want to write about. Let's call the end date of the fest May 31st so you've got a bit over a month.

PROMPT POST ONLY! IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO PLEASE MAKE A NEW POST TO THE COMMUNITY!

Prompt List

  • Butch identified/fan-assigned butch identity - what does it mean for characters, a story?
  • I'd love to see asexual lesbians in fandom revisited. Most fandom asexuals I can think of are male.
  • What about genderqueer lesbians? Do any fandoms even have this?
  • Genderswapping AUs, etc. Genderswapping has a reputation of being a way to "avoid the gay" in male-dominated fandoms, by switching one character's gender to allow for a romance. Is there good lesbian genderswap out there?
  • Lovers in a dangerous time: What's your approach to writing femslash in times and places that are notoriously unfriendly for f/f relationships, especially historical settings?
  • How popular (or influential) is RPFS, anyway? And particularly, amongst female artists (in the male slash example I used, the case would be amongst authors, or even editors, publishers, etc.) Also, I'm more interested and curious about the RPFS of female public figures pre-20th century. But really, any time period will do.
  • femslash and intersectionality - race, class, ethnicity, disability etc.
  • femslash and kink
  • femslash involving older characters
  • I'd love to read about experiences with femslash podfic as a reader and/or a listener.
  • I would love to hear your thoughts on the revisited topic of actively bisexual female characters or F/F/M threesomes in erotic fiction. I guess mostly from a reader's point of view. The story has femslash but it also has het... does it work for you? Or for the sake of reading comfortably as femslash and thus being called femslash some walls should be maintained?
  • Have you ever chosen a fandom for it's femslash potential? Which fandoms / pairings?
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[personal profile] slagsmacker

Some thoughts on why and where I post femslash fanfic  can be found here: slagsmacker.dreamwidth.org/490.html
snowynight: An Asian doctor who's also Captain America (Default)
[personal profile] snowynight
Disclaimer: I 'm only speaking from my experience and am not way authoritative. I have never been in a fandom dominated by femslash. This may  affect my perspective.

Some fannish background

I am a fan in Marvel comics fandom, which 's weird in that while the X-Men part of it is big, the rest of it doesn't receive a lot of love. In fact, the current subset I'm in doesn't even exist until 2006. It's still small enough to qualify for Yuletide. The canon is complex, convoluted, with loads and loads of characters and over fifty years of history. It's pretty much like a maze and you need a guide to get into it. If you're new to it, you may not know what to begin. There're quite a amount of female characters, and there's enough canon to suppot certain pairings. But you have to first know they exist, not to mention how to find them.

This doesn't help you to find, not to say to build a pairing. In fact, my google-fu only managed to find 3 short femslash fics in my subset when I set out for it. The date stamp for femslash in Marvel in AO3, though may not be very representative, proves my perception. They only come into existence in two years.

Now the percentage of Marvel femslash on AO3 is still not high, a total of 33 out of 416. The percentage is similar to that in DCU and Homestruck and higher than the average 1000 stories updated in a month in AO3. It's higher than Harry Potter fandom and SGA, both the biggest  fandom  on AO3. A decent percentage, considering that there are femslash fanwork uncollected in kink meme and else where on LJ/DW.

How does it grow from practically zero to a newcomer like me to now? Well, it seems like boasting, but I contribute to it by writing 7 of them and inspires a remix of mine.  And I get into the joy of multi-shipping of femslash through the help of fans.

Firstly, my subset like many others is slash dominated, (in fact it starts from a slash epic), but the main hub of it 's very female-character friendly. (There were once a mod-initiated appreciation of canon love interest post ) Bashing of female characters as I know is not allowed on the main com. Several of the high profile fans write femslash as a background pairing. There's at least a femslash friendly area.

Secondly, the fans post about them. I get into Misty Knight/Colleen Wing (Badass POC female characters kick ass and be awesome together! Decades of friendship in canon! Meaningful glances and hugging and crying! One free from mind control due to sheer love of another!) through picspam and squee post of a fan. When I got curious and asked her about it, she  was very nice and guided me toward the way to get canon. I was totally convinced then. When I started to write, she betaed for me. I don't think I'll be a fan of the pairing without her.

When I start to write and post, I crosspost to wherever appropriate and hope for the best. I post in AO3 and tag like hell. I join the panfandom exchange and kink meme to prompt for femslash. I offer myself to write femslash pairing. I regularly leave prompts for femslash on comment fic com. I try my best to leave kudos and comment on the related fanwork.

My experience concluded:

1. Post, and people will follow. Writing fic is one of the means. But squee post, review ship manifesto, meta, recommendation, linkspam  are all good. Post to the bigger platform and attract people.

2.  Use every chance to increase you ship's visibility. Comment fic community, kink meme, panfandom exchange, everything. Prompt everywhere you can. To let people know that someone wants it. It can make a difference.

3. Connect to other fans. In comics fandom, there's a saying that there's never only you. I believe that it applies to all other fandoms. It's easier in a small fandom where everyone pretty much know everyone. But sometimes take the initiative and it may surprise you.

4. Try to maintain a femslash friendly environment everywhere you post.

5. Have fun, and don't give up!

It's my experience of shipping a rare pairing  in a small fandom. I would like to know yours.
aron_kristina: Garbo being fab! (Default)
[personal profile] aron_kristina
I've posted some thoughts on Defining femslash: what does the term mean to you? on my journal. Feel free to come and discuss!
havocthecat: bonnie as witch, elena as doppelganger, caroline as vampire from the vampire diaries (tvd bonnie elena caroline tvd)
[personal profile] havocthecat
I've posted my response to Femslash at Yuletide from last year's prompt list over on my journal.
snowynight: An Asian doctor who's also Captain America (Default)
[personal profile] snowynight
Disclaimer: I'm in no way authoritative and only speak from my experience.

Sometimes, crossover and unusual pairing are by necessity. My first fandom is Star Trek: the Original series and it pretty have a total of only 2 female characters who're never in the same scene as far as I know. I love Uhura. She's strong, smart and sensible. But I can't find anyone to pair her off. Then I watch Stargate: Atlantis and I fall in love with Teyla. Naturally I pair Teyla and Uhura together. I can easily see them fighting together against the enemy or sit down and talk about culture, language or just turtle soup. It becomes my favourite Uhura pairing.

Sometimes, crossover and unusual pairing are just for fun. Currently I am in Marvel fandom. While I am the last person to suggest that Marvel comics canon is female-friendly (Woman in the fridge, everyone?), its huge cast of characters ensure that there are at least some interesting female characters. There are also chance for two female characters in a title interacting for reasons other than the male characters. Therefore it's easier to pair up female characters. And I have a lot. Colleen Wing/Misty Knight (She 's an ex-New York cop with a cyborg arm. She 's a samurai with a cool katana. Together they fight crime), Carol Danver/Wanda Miximoff (the amazing [personal profile] garrideb wrote a ship manifesto about them and pretty said thing better than I would ever do), but I still have quite a crack pairing: Miss America/Golden Girl. They only appear together in an issue but they are comfortable with and clearly like each other. So why not ship them?

Sometimes, crossover and unusual pairing are a protest. Female characters are often underrepresented in the canon. Often we know much about a superhero's father, but never the mother. The only thing we know about the mother is usually her death. For example, Howard Stark play an important role in the Iron Man movie, but we never know about Iron Man's mother. The canon is also bad to the established awesome female characters. Peggy Carter is a spy/reporter in WWII. She's depicted as brave and independent. Then in the recon that we always pretend not to exist the canon has to ruin it. So why not reimagine Maria Stark as a not-so-sociable scientist working alongside super spy Peggy Carter and let them have femslashy spy adventure together? They deserve better treatment than what the canon gives them.

In short, I like crossover and unusual pairing sometimes for necessity, for fun, and protest. I would like to hear your opinions!



sqbr: Nepeta from Homestuck looking grumpy in front of the f/f parts of her shipping wall (grumpy)
[personal profile] sqbr
OT3s: Are there any awesome OT3s out there? Are any of them all from the same canon? Can you still call is femslash if one of the three is a man?

I can't speak on this topic authoritatively but I have some thoughts based on my personal experience.
Read more... )
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[personal profile] dagas_isa
Please note that these are hypotheses, not definitive statements. And that even if all these reasons are all totally true and applicable everywhere (which they aren’t), none of them are inherently bad or good things.

Definitions:

I’m using ‘more conservative’ for more fic that focuses on realism or a fairly narrow set of realistic tropes, and ‘out there’ for tropes that are more geared towards idfic or common fanfic fantasy set-ups.


Pfft, mini. -.- )
amaresu: tegan and nyssa smiling at each other (doctorwho-tegan/nyssa)
[personal profile] amaresu
This is the post for people who either don't have a DreamWidth or don't want to make a new entry for whatever reason.

Simply make a new top level comment with your meta.

Prompt list is here.
amaresu: tegan and nyssa smiling at each other (doctorwho-tegan/nyssa)
[personal profile] amaresu
[personal profile] twtd asked me about it and thus Femslash Mini Meta Fest shall be an annual event.

For those who don't know: Mini meta is like regular meta, only mini. The aim isn't to end up with thousands of words of meta, but somewhere around 300 words. (Although if you get inspired and write thousands of words no one will complain and similarly if you only have 100 words in you for the topic that is fine as well.) This, hopefully, creates much less pressure and allows more people to post what is on their minds without worrying about it being the most perfect thing ever.

The rules will be similar to last year's fest, with a few minor modifications.

1. Submit topics you want to see meta about. These can be anything so long as it relates to femslash. They will be listed at the bottom of this post for everyone to see.

Sample prompts from last year:

  • Where's the Femslash Little Black Dress?
  • BSG fandom - why the femslash was so strong in the beginning and middle, and why it's faded a bit. What can other fandoms learn from that, not to mention other shows?
  • Yes It's F-ing Political: Femslashing as Response To Too Many Dead Lesbians in Canon


2. Write meta about the topics. Don't worry if someone else has already written about a topic you wanted to write about, multiple posts about the same topic are encouraged. You can even write mini meta in response to someone else's meta.

You can post directly to [community profile] fem_thoughts or you can post to your journal and link us. I'll put up a post so that people who aren't on DreamWidth can post mini meta in the comments. Here is the post for people who don't have a DreamWidth to post mini meta in the comments.

3. Discuss the meta!


Prompt List

  • X-rated fiction: word choices, or why not call it cunt?
  • X-rated fiction: why is there so little? (yes, this has been discussed many times, but sometimes I feel like I'm the only one writing porn)
  • Being the "other", on the names slash and femslash (almost like calling it football and womens football, no?)
  • Clichés and tropes: where are all the high school fics, and the "I'm only gay for you"-fics?
  • Girls into Boys or Boys into Girls: Genderswap in femslash.
  • Has femslash become too conservative (lower case "c" conservative)? Or, Where's the experimental fic/crack fic/genderswap/wingfic/just plain screwy, out there fic and why don't we see more of it?
  • OT3s: Are there any awesome OT3s out there? Are any of them all from the same canon? Can you still call is femslash if one of the three is a man?
  • Defining femslash: what does the term mean to you?
  • Posting: Where femslash writers post/why/where femslash writers don't post/why (prompted by observances that there is not a ton of femslash on Ao3)
  • Unusual pairings and crossovers: when there's only one woman in the main cast, but you want to write the femslash anyway.
  • Femslash over 40: It's not all about young characters. Is there a significantly different process for working with characters over 40? Does age matter at all?
  • No pithy prompt, but I'd love to see a discussion of sexuality-how we conceptualize it for characters, write it in, leave it out...fluid or fixed. Is it too often assumed in femslash that the characters are lesbians, closet lesbians and not bi, poly, etc.?
  • Kink and femmeslash - I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this. I'm interested, in particular, in female tops and how people write them, read them, and think about them, but all ideas would be fantastic
  • Femmeslash and asexuality - tell me about how you see this. What would femmeslash with one or more asexual partner look like? How would you write it?
  • Using lesbian cliches in femmeslash fiction- Dead lesbian, pregnant lesbian, crazy/evil lesbian, lesbian who goes back to men- How do f/f writers use and abuse these stereotypes in their fiction? Are their any good examples that change the rules?
  • Real Person Femmeslash- Hot or not? Do you read it? Do you write it? Do you wish there was more? Or is it something you wish there was less of?
  • Religion and femmeslash- How does a character's religion/beliefs (or lack their of) influence what and how you read/write?
  • Crossover femslash--why do you write/read it or not write/read it? What about the characters, shows, etc. makes you pair up women from different canons? How is it different, or not, from non-crossover fic?
  • Canon f/f: is it still femslash if it's canon? Do you write about canon f/f pairings? Is writing it any different from writing a non-canon f/f pairing? If so, how?
  • Differences in femslash in western & non-western fandoms.
  • Bisexuality. Are characters with canonical male love interests, who are written in femmeslash, automatically bisexual? Does female bisexuality need discussing in fic? Is f/f/m fic, as little of it as there seems to be, inherently bisexual?

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